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	<title>Comments on: What Will Nationalized Health Care Look Like?</title>
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		<title>By: Mike Bond</title>
		<link>http://www.mikebond.org/2010/03/12/what-will-nationalized-health-care-look-like/#comment-5019</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Bond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 20:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, it&#039;s quite simple.  

First and foremost, Congress/The President has no power to legislate/pass such a law.  The Constitution grants them no such ability.  

Second,
I have the right to bear arms but I&#039;m not required to bear them nor am I fined for not bearing them.
I have the right to vote but I&#039;m not required to vote nor am I fined for not voting.
The list could go on ad nauseam.  
So why am I fined for not getting healthcare insurance?  No other &quot;right&quot; fines a person for failing to use that right.  So why does this &quot;right&quot; require me to pay up or go to jail?  Because it&#039;s not a right.

Third, everyone that makes money or consumes goods, participates in the cost of airports, police, roads--regardless of income.  Even the person making very little still pays.  Nowhere is the service provided free to anyone and it is definitely true that I am not required to pay for the services of the person who can&#039;t afford them.  Everyone pays taxes (at least at the state level) including sales tax.  No one gets out of it.  Yet, with healthcare I have to pay for those who are too ill/lazy/tired/sick/unable to pay for it themselves.  Ah, another form of welfare!  Shall we look at how the current welfare system has done?  (it&#039;s a joke.)  Shall we look at how welfare has helped so many people get back on their feet?  (It hasn&#039;t.)  Welfare is a joke.  It pays people not to work, has no accountability, and no verification service.  We are simply creating another form of welfare.  So people get goods and services that they didn&#039;t pay for, others that are responsible and hard-working are now required to bear the burden for those who can&#039;t, and all along we&#039;re told that it won&#039;t affect the economy and it&#039;ll pay for itself.  So why create another system that will allow people to shirk responsibility, not work, and put the burden on others?

Further, we have a system called Medicaid which has done just fine (well, actually, it could be much better) for those unable to afford health insurance.  I know about five families that have been or are on Medicaid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, it&#8217;s quite simple.  </p>
<p>First and foremost, Congress/The President has no power to legislate/pass such a law.  The Constitution grants them no such ability.  </p>
<p>Second,<br />
I have the right to bear arms but I&#8217;m not required to bear them nor am I fined for not bearing them.<br />
I have the right to vote but I&#8217;m not required to vote nor am I fined for not voting.<br />
The list could go on ad nauseam.<br />
So why am I fined for not getting healthcare insurance?  No other &#8220;right&#8221; fines a person for failing to use that right.  So why does this &#8220;right&#8221; require me to pay up or go to jail?  Because it&#8217;s not a right.</p>
<p>Third, everyone that makes money or consumes goods, participates in the cost of airports, police, roads&#8211;regardless of income.  Even the person making very little still pays.  Nowhere is the service provided free to anyone and it is definitely true that I am not required to pay for the services of the person who can&#8217;t afford them.  Everyone pays taxes (at least at the state level) including sales tax.  No one gets out of it.  Yet, with healthcare I have to pay for those who are too ill/lazy/tired/sick/unable to pay for it themselves.  Ah, another form of welfare!  Shall we look at how the current welfare system has done?  (it&#8217;s a joke.)  Shall we look at how welfare has helped so many people get back on their feet?  (It hasn&#8217;t.)  Welfare is a joke.  It pays people not to work, has no accountability, and no verification service.  We are simply creating another form of welfare.  So people get goods and services that they didn&#8217;t pay for, others that are responsible and hard-working are now required to bear the burden for those who can&#8217;t, and all along we&#8217;re told that it won&#8217;t affect the economy and it&#8217;ll pay for itself.  So why create another system that will allow people to shirk responsibility, not work, and put the burden on others?</p>
<p>Further, we have a system called Medicaid which has done just fine (well, actually, it could be much better) for those unable to afford health insurance.  I know about five families that have been or are on Medicaid.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.mikebond.org/2010/03/12/what-will-nationalized-health-care-look-like/#comment-4443</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 16:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll make 2 points here:

1) Your statistics may be right, but consider another one:  100% of MA residents have health insurance.  Less than 100% of CT residents do.  Yes, one can look at that as some MA residents paying more than their fair share.  But I personally feel that in this case, the ends justify the means.  You&#039;re of course free to disagree.

2) Regarding costs of health coverage going up...I will say this:  the healthcare plan that I chose covers my medical expenses at 100%, after I&#039;ve met my deductible.  I can *absolutely* see how this would encourage a person to make frivolous visits to the doctor (again, after the deductible has been met).
Of course, the flip side of that is that if this weren&#039;t the case...say someone has met their deductible for the year, they&#039;re sick, but still can&#039;t afford their 20% share of the doctor&#039;s bill.  They may therefore choose to forgo treatment.  Okay, that&#039;s their call...but I&#039;m not going to be too happy if this results in their illness lasting longer than it otherwise would and them therefore passing it on to me.

One thing that&#039;s on my mind with the healthcare debate is this:  Americans collectively paying for things is not a new concept.  We do this for the military, public schools, libraries, fire departments, roads (admittedly these are *partially* paid for by usage-based taxes on gasoline), courthouses, airports (again partially paid for in a usage-based fashion), dams, police, etc.  I know you&#039;re not the official spokesperson for everyone who objects to healthcare, but may I ask:  what are your opinions of these things?  Do you advocate moving to a system where none of these are funded by income taxes, and they are all paid for on a per-use basis?  For example, your taxes go down by $x, but if you ever have to call the cops they&#039;ll charge you $y to help you?  Or, example #2, both our taxes go down by $a, but you have to pay $b to put your kids in school?

I guess my point with that last paragraph is:  if you don&#039;t mind the status quo with all those other things, why is healthcare different or special?  If you do object to the status quo with all those other things...I suppose I would applaud your consistency at least.  But on the other hand, if the &quot;cop responding fee&quot; is say $1000, then muggings would skyrocket because nobody&#039;s going to pay the cops $1000 to respond to a mugging in which they lost $20.  Etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll make 2 points here:</p>
<p>1) Your statistics may be right, but consider another one:  100% of MA residents have health insurance.  Less than 100% of CT residents do.  Yes, one can look at that as some MA residents paying more than their fair share.  But I personally feel that in this case, the ends justify the means.  You&#8217;re of course free to disagree.</p>
<p>2) Regarding costs of health coverage going up&#8230;I will say this:  the healthcare plan that I chose covers my medical expenses at 100%, after I&#8217;ve met my deductible.  I can *absolutely* see how this would encourage a person to make frivolous visits to the doctor (again, after the deductible has been met).<br />
Of course, the flip side of that is that if this weren&#8217;t the case&#8230;say someone has met their deductible for the year, they&#8217;re sick, but still can&#8217;t afford their 20% share of the doctor&#8217;s bill.  They may therefore choose to forgo treatment.  Okay, that&#8217;s their call&#8230;but I&#8217;m not going to be too happy if this results in their illness lasting longer than it otherwise would and them therefore passing it on to me.</p>
<p>One thing that&#8217;s on my mind with the healthcare debate is this:  Americans collectively paying for things is not a new concept.  We do this for the military, public schools, libraries, fire departments, roads (admittedly these are *partially* paid for by usage-based taxes on gasoline), courthouses, airports (again partially paid for in a usage-based fashion), dams, police, etc.  I know you&#8217;re not the official spokesperson for everyone who objects to healthcare, but may I ask:  what are your opinions of these things?  Do you advocate moving to a system where none of these are funded by income taxes, and they are all paid for on a per-use basis?  For example, your taxes go down by $x, but if you ever have to call the cops they&#8217;ll charge you $y to help you?  Or, example #2, both our taxes go down by $a, but you have to pay $b to put your kids in school?</p>
<p>I guess my point with that last paragraph is:  if you don&#8217;t mind the status quo with all those other things, why is healthcare different or special?  If you do object to the status quo with all those other things&#8230;I suppose I would applaud your consistency at least.  But on the other hand, if the &#8220;cop responding fee&#8221; is say $1000, then muggings would skyrocket because nobody&#8217;s going to pay the cops $1000 to respond to a mugging in which they lost $20.  Etc.</p>
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